Comments on: Bass Integration Guide – Part 1 https://www.hifizine.com/2011/06/bass-integration-guide-part-1/ The enthusiast's audio webzine Fri, 28 Jun 2024 16:46:34 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.26 By: Fernando Cavallero https://www.hifizine.com/2011/06/bass-integration-guide-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-112705 Tue, 22 Dec 2020 21:20:59 +0000 http://www.hifizine.com/?p=2500#comment-112705 Hi. Great article!
I can´t wait reading parts 2 and 3.
In “Making sense of the results” step 2 I try to plot waterfall or decay curves but the “generate” button doesn´t work. I mean, REW only generates a graph with the measurements curves, not the average curve.
Thanks

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By: Nadish https://www.hifizine.com/2011/06/bass-integration-guide-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-112505 Sun, 17 Sep 2017 11:53:51 +0000 http://www.hifizine.com/?p=2500#comment-112505 Like many others here, thanks for this awesome guide!!

As per the instructions, I started with measuring around 1inch from my Rythmic subwoofer cone. I am quite alarmed to find that below 80Hz the decay is not as you have described. At 300ms there is still a lot of energy below 80Hz. I am mystified by this. Any ideas why? I could email screen grabs as well as the REW file.

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By: Paul Spencer https://www.hifizine.com/2011/06/bass-integration-guide-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-7171 Tue, 05 Aug 2014 09:22:17 +0000 http://www.hifizine.com/?p=2500#comment-7171 It’s quite unfortunate how AV receivers can be limiting in bass integration options.

Keep in mind overlapping only offers a benefit where the mains smooth the bass response of the sub positions. This won’t always be the case. I’ve seen many examples in my consulting work where one or two subs can’t be improved in this regard with overlapping. In fact, often just one or two will reveal the full potential of a particular room. So you should determine if you will actually achieve a benefit as it may not be there.

If you find you DO need overlapping, then I’d set the mains to large and use MiniDSP to create a high pass for the mains.

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By: Bill https://www.hifizine.com/2011/06/bass-integration-guide-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-7170 Tue, 05 Aug 2014 04:53:49 +0000 http://www.hifizine.com/?p=2500#comment-7170 Paul,

It’s great that three years later this 3 part tutorial still remains one of the best I’ve seen. Thank you for the comprehensive guide. One thing I would point out is that I had to read to part 3 before I realized that the overlapping mains and subs approach won’t work with even a sophisticated AVR alone. Most AVRs I know of only allow for a single cross-over point. While you can always boost the bass level, it will only boost the signal routed from the mains to the subs below the cross over frequency. That’s a bummer for me since I recently bought a Denon AVR x3000 that won’t let me implement this scheme. I wonder if it still might be possible with the introduction of say a miniDSP 2×4. Any thoughts on that?

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By: Paul Spencer https://www.hifizine.com/2011/06/bass-integration-guide-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-6688 Tue, 10 Jun 2014 01:42:29 +0000 http://www.hifizine.com/?p=2500#comment-6688 Due to proximity, the direct field dominates as it is much higher in level. The degree to which this occurs is clearly seen in the waterfall plot.

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By: Marcelo https://www.hifizine.com/2011/06/bass-integration-guide-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-6686 Mon, 09 Jun 2014 17:36:48 +0000 http://www.hifizine.com/?p=2500#comment-6686 I don’t get the point on the ” close mic position” . Why the room doesn’t have influence ? Near field and reflection free are different . Being “close” does not mean there are no waves being reflected back to the mic .

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By: AustinJerry https://www.hifizine.com/2011/06/bass-integration-guide-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1959 Sat, 30 Mar 2013 04:42:36 +0000 http://www.hifizine.com/?p=2500#comment-1959 That’s what I figured, Paul. Thanks for confirming.

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By: Paul Spencer https://www.hifizine.com/2011/06/bass-integration-guide-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1940 Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:19:36 +0000 http://www.hifizine.com/?p=2500#comment-1940 Jerry, it would be a nice feature to have built into REW, but it was drawn manually, it can be done with an image editing program.

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By: AustinJerry https://www.hifizine.com/2011/06/bass-integration-guide-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1939 Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:56:02 +0000 http://www.hifizine.com/?p=2500#comment-1939 Can you share the tool you used to add the -20dB white lines to the REW Decay plot? This makes the analysis considerably easier. Very useful article, thanks.

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By: Paul Spencer https://www.hifizine.com/2011/06/bass-integration-guide-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-789 Mon, 29 Aug 2011 07:01:49 +0000 http://www.hifizine.com/?p=2500#comment-789 Part II is coming (hopefully) in one week.

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